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  • #46
    What's really stunning and the reason Banister should be replaced is that Odor has played all of the Ranger games even though there have been other options. It should have been apparent that after a month or so that Odor needed to be pulled from the line-up and sat.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Redcap View Post
      What's really stunning and the reason Banister should be replaced is that Odor has played all of the Ranger games even though there have been other options. It should have been apparent that after a month or so that Odor needed to be pulled from the line-up and sat.
      I am likewise stunned at how that's unfolded...and not entirely happy w/Banny.

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      • #48
        Evan Grant @Evan_P_Grant
        Weird coincidence: In Andrus' 1st year of big contract ('13), he finished with .659 OPS; Odor's OPS: .654. Different players, same issue?

        Rougned Odor
        Year Age OPS
        2015 21 .781
        2016 22 .798
        2017 23 .655
        2018 24 ?
        2019 25 ?
        2020 26 ?
        2021 27 ?


        Elvis Andrus
        Year Age OPS
        2011 22 .708
        2012 23 .727
        2013 24 .659
        2014 25 685
        2015 26 .667
        2016 27 .800
        2017 28 .814

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        • #49
          The difference is that Elvis was still getting on base at around a .300 average. Odor, along with Napoli, is killing the offense. And, as to oWAR, Elvis was still averaging over a 2 even in his worst years.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by mingjungtc View Post
            Point being, Rougned Odor is far from a finished product. And from a team perspective, he is not helping. But age is on his side. There is ample time for him to make the necessary adjustments to improve. For this reason, there is no offseason more important than the one that is nearing for Rougned Odor.


            Point being, there is reason that the Rangers might believe Odor, in next few years, will be able to perform like what he was performing before the big contract, just like Elvis.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by mingjungtc View Post
              Evan Grant @Evan_P_Grant
              Weird coincidence: In Andrus' 1st year of big contract ('13), he finished with .659 OPS; Odor's OPS: .654. Different players, same issue?

              Rougned Odor
              Year Age OPS
              2015 21 .781
              2016 22 .798
              2017 23 .655
              2018 24 ?
              2019 25 ?
              2020 26 ?
              2021 27 ?


              Elvis Andrus
              Year Age OPS
              2011 22 .708
              2012 23 .727
              2013 24 .659
              2014 25 685
              2015 26 .667
              2016 27 .800
              2017 28 .814
              Very interesting. Tells us not to give up on Odor too soon. We can carry him. We went into the postseason in 2015 with Andrus. Hopefully, Odor's slump won't be for three years.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by mingjungtc View Post
                Evan Grant @Evan_P_Grant
                Weird coincidence: In Andrus' 1st year of big contract ('13), he finished with .659 OPS; Odor's OPS: .654. Different players, same issue?
                Somewhat the same issue but not exactly. Andrus signed the big contract and came to camp fat out out of shape from partying it up on his new wealth. Odor signed the big contract and decided to swing for the fences in every AB.

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                • #53
                  They need to be playing Calhoun every day. If he's good, then we can keep him in the outfield and hide Odor at the bottom of the batting lineup for the time being. I'm not too concerned about him or the offense. We have Beltre, Andrus, Gallo and Choo to do the heavy lifting. If Chirinos and DeShields keep hitting, and Calhoun and Mazara can give us decent offense, Odor will hardly be noticed with a .650 OPS. We need to keep Profar in case batting 9th doesn't change Odor's evil ways. Either that or JD needs to eat a lot of that contract and hand the job to Profar. It's not that hard. The Rangers score the runs. They just aren't preventing enough.

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                  • #54
                    Odor may have tweaked an ankle in the late innings at Oakland. Interesting to see if he hits the bench or stays in the lineup.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Kaisersoze View Post

                      Somewhat the same issue but not exactly. Andrus signed the big contract and came to camp fat out out of shape from partying it up on his new wealth. Odor signed the big contract and decided to swing for the fences in every AB.
                      Odor has same GB/FB (0.73) in 2016 and 2017. At least this is more like trying to do too much and probably easier to fix than “fat out of shape”

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