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  • Originally posted by Redcap View Post

    Ok Mr. Smart person, then who do they fill those positions with? Instead of spouting insulting junk, name some names and actual ideas.
    The only position they need to fill is CF. all others are filled with existing players on the team or in the system. In addition, they have $70m coming off the books. They really should spend all of that on the rotation and bullpen. I like signing Darvish (if somewhat reasonable) and Otani. That give you a rotation of Hamels, Darvish, Otani, and Perez. I would let multiple cheap options compete for the fifth spot. I think that's a better rotation than this year's rotation and I think the lineup is as good or better because you get rid of dead weights like Napoli and Odor (unless he rights himself). Regardless, whining and complaining that trading free agents to be at the deadline automatically makes them bad for 6 years is ridiculous. They will have a good core and $70m+ to spend. They don't have to spend it on Cashner, Ross, Lucroy, Gomez, etc. and, even if they decide to, they can sign those guys as FA's.

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    • ESPN and MLB are reporting the JD is in the mood to buy. From TR Sullivan:

      "The top targets are right-handers David Robertson, Pat Neshek and Addison Reed, and left-handers Justin Wilson, Brad Hand and Sean Doolittle. The Rangers' farm system is not as strong as it has been, but there is always a possibility of including infielder Jurickson Profar in a deal.

      It would take something extraordinary for the Rangers to make a serious run at a division title. But they are clearly in the Wild Card race, and the Rangers have made it clear that is their goal."

      It boils down to what the team does the next 16 games, but they want to win this year, not fold up and go into a long rebuilding process when most rebuilding processes fail to produce anything for years and years.

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      • Besides centerfield, I'm more concerned about the pitching. I'd go all in on Yu and maybe they can corral Otani. Another pitcher I'd consider picking up on the cheap (who's still pretty young) is Chatwood of the Rockies. Yes, his stats look ugly but his home and away stats are pretty revealing. Colorado's thin air is killing him.

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        • Everyone is reporting the Rangers want to trade Profar. If the Rangers can win enough games the remainder of the month, it looks like we'll get the relief pitcher we need. Profar should draw a good relief pitcher and a younger prospect to replace him. If he's blocked, it makes no sense to carry him on the roster if you can get a younger and cheaper prospect for him. The only issue there is whether the Rangers brain trust can select the appropriate prospect. It can be someone two or three years away from the majors. If we can get two good relief pitchers and two good prospects for Profar and Lucroy this team can win the Wild Card and that will go a long way towards rebuilding the farm. There is no reason to quit if this team can show enough moxie to compete the remainder of the month. I like almost all the names TR Sullivan listed as potential relief arms.

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          • Originally posted by Redcap View Post
            Besides centerfield, I'm more concerned about the pitching. I'd go all in on Yu and maybe they can corral Otani. Another pitcher I'd consider picking up on the cheap (who's still pretty young) is Chatwood of the Rockies. Yes, his stats look ugly but his home and away stats are pretty revealing. Colorado's thin air is killing him.
            I like the way Ross is recovering. He may be the next Kenny Rogers after his TOS. We'll have a chance to see the rest of the season it looks like. It's universally agreed around the league today that the Rangers are going for it. Could win the World Series this year! It would be perfect to beat the Astros in the ALCS. Just perfect!

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            • Originally posted by Flounder1 View Post
              It's universally agreed around the league today that the Rangers are going for it.
              Why do you say something silly like that?

              There's been as much or more in the rumor mill about them selling as there has about them buying. Jerry Crasnick (ESPN/Baseball America) says there’s buzz the Rangers could listen on Yu Darvish and Cole Hamels at the deadline.

              The only sensible thing to say is that we outsiders don't know and that it's most likely the Rangers haven't decided yet what they'll do.

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              • It'seems been reported by DMN, ESPN, MLB and Jon Daniels himself. All around the Baseball Internet every legitimate source is saying the Rangers are going for it starting now!

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                • Y'all need to start wrapping your minds around the fact the Rangers are determined to win this year. A good showing the next 16 games means any trades we make are trades to win now. You've been setting yourselves up for disappointment all season long, so I'm just trying to soften the blow.

                  JD has already discounted the bullpen losses because he knows he can fix that. They don't matter to him because he knows how to fix it. He's looking at the team beyond the bullpen because it's a given with a couple of trades the bullpen will be great.

                  Only a collapse the next 16 games will change his mind.

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                  • If the team doesn't impress in the next 10 days and JD does try to trade Darvish, Cashner, Ross, Lucroy, Gomez:

                    What would it take to get Brinson back from Milwaukee?

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                    • Originally posted by Redcap View Post
                      Besides centerfield, I'm more concerned about the pitching. I'd go all in on Yu and maybe they can corral Otani. Another pitcher I'd consider picking up on the cheap (who's still pretty young) is Chatwood of the Rockies. Yes, his stats look ugly but his home and away stats are pretty revealing. Colorado's thin air is killing him.
                      That's a good name/target for Rangers.

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                      • I know we're centered on re-signing Gomez, but what about Lorenzo Cain? Will he re-sign with the Royals or could the Rangers scoop him to play center? Much better on defense than Gomez and hits well.

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                        • Originally posted by Flounder1 View Post

                          This is where the logic breaks down. You say we can get prospects who can help next year, then name a couple of random guys who are doing OK a year after a trade That is not the typical case, though. Those are outliers. The usual case is a prospect who takes three years to contribute. Trading Beltre is not "worthwhile" next year. He is batting 283/.384/.528. I would not bet on that getting worse with age, but that in fact what you'd be doing by trading and expecting to get someone who is better in a trade. Choo not continuing to get on base like he does in another bad bet. How is that the "best thing?" Trading those two would hurt the team immediately and ruin the next few years until your prospects pan out. It's best to hold on to those and make Darvish and Gomez an offer. There is no better pitcher and CF on the market this winter, so see what you can get done now. Maybe nothing, but it is better than putting up the white flag for the next three years. Keep your good players who are under contract, try to lock up your other two good ones, and have a fire sale for the rest if that is necessary. Hopefully, it won't be. Losing so you can win is totally illogical. You'll wind up like the Astros who couldn't win anything for a decade. It's turning the organization into the Florida Marlins instead of the St. Louis Cardinals.
                          What turned the Astros into a perennial loser was not their decision to rebuild. It was their decision to go all-in with middling teams and refusal to retool. The 2006-2010 seasons set that organization back WAAAAAYYYYYYY farther than 2011-2014, which put them on the track to their current destination. Had the Astros done what they should have after their last playoff season in 2005 or even a year later in 2006 -- sold off some pieces and gotten younger -- their total tear down likely wouldn't have been necessary. Instead, they kept throwing expensive .500 teams on the field and allowed their farm system to wither on the vine in the process.

                          The Rangers are where the Astros were in 2006. We can either follow their lead and keep throwing good money after bad, finish at or around .500 and end up needing a full-scale rebuild in a few years anyway. Or ... we can make some proactive moves now that will put this team back on the path to contention within a year or two and leave us much healthier in the long run. I know which one of those I'm choosing. And I'm baffled by the number of people on this site that don't understand that these are our two choices.

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                          • Originally posted by Redcap View Post
                            Besides centerfield, I'm more concerned about the pitching. I'd go all in on Yu and maybe they can corral Otani. Another pitcher I'd consider picking up on the cheap (who's still pretty young) is Chatwood of the Rockies. Yes, his stats look ugly but his home and away stats are pretty revealing. Colorado's thin air is killing him.
                            Originally posted by saclare View Post
                            That's a good name/target for Rangers.
                            The only problem with Chatwood is his injury history. He's never made a full season of starts in his major league career, though that could change this season.

                            I like him as a pitcher, though. Especially if he comes at a reasonable price.

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                            • Originally posted by Redcap View Post
                              I know we're centered on re-signing Gomez, but what about Lorenzo Cain? Will he re-sign with the Royals or could the Rangers scoop him to play center? Much better on defense than Gomez and hits well.
                              If we do hover around .500 and they end up trading people off, I'd rather roll with a defensive specialist for a year or two until our minor leaguers are ready. I think I would rather have a defensively guy who comes cheap and hits 9th than give up value in trade for a guy like Cain.

                              Also I don't trust DDJ in CF defensively but he has the physical skills and is new to the OF, its possible he could improve to the point he was a good option in CF.

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                              • Originally posted by Kaisersoze View Post

                                If we do hover around .500 and they end up trading people off, I'd rather roll with a defensive specialist for a year or two until our minor leaguers are ready. I think I would rather have a defensively guy who comes cheap and hits 9th than give up value in trade for a guy like Cain.

                                Also I don't trust DDJ in CF defensively but he has the physical skills and is new to the OF, its possible he could improve to the point he was a good option in CF.
                                Cain's a free agent after this year, but your point stands, and I agree with it. He'll likely cost more in resources than he's worth to the Rangers IMO and I'd rather spend that money to bolster our pitching staff..

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