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  • #16
    Originally posted by Flounder1 View Post
    I agree it was frustrating that Dyson could not come into a save situation and perform the way he did the night before, but let's give Brocail credit for that inning the night before not just trash him things go wrong. Things go right, too, is all I'm saying. Now that Kela is back, that might give Banister more options in the ninth.
    when brocail fixes one of these guys permanently then he will be acknowledged if only for the novelty of it. I have yet to see it happen and would put it up there with moses parting the waters. we can all hope for a miracle.

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    • #17
      I noticed the other day that fully half the runs scored on the bullpen were from that guy who has a hand contusion. Glad we have a doctor to fix the bullpen.

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      • #18
        I miss Ron Washington. This mix-and-match BS with the bullpen is driving me nuts. Barnette is a) one of the two or three best relievers in this bullpen, and b) a WAY better pitcher than Alvarez. Why would you a) waste Barnette for two batters and b) voluntarily put the game in Alvarez's hands? It's insane. Banister's quickly losing me with his bullpen management. Go back to the NL with that crap.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by dannyboy8517 View Post
          I miss Ron Washington. This mix-and-match BS with the bullpen is driving me nuts. Barnette is a) one of the two or three best relievers in this bullpen, and b) a WAY better pitcher than Alvarez. Why would you a) waste Barnette for two batters and b) voluntarily put the game in Alvarez's hands? It's insane. Banister's quickly losing me with his bullpen management. Go back to the NL with that crap.
          He was probably signaling for Dyson, but he has that hand contusion so they sent him Alvarez.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Flounder1 View Post

            He was probably signaling for Dyson, but he has that hand contusion so they sent him Alvarez.
            And then he leaves Alvarez in for the seventh to pour gasoline all over the game. Can someone please help me understand what the hell is going on here?

            Claudio, Jeffress and Barnette are lucky to finish any inning they start. But Alvarez and Hauschild are the guys in a two-run game. It's mind-numbing.

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            • #21
              one thing we have all observed is that banister will use every pitcher given to him even in the most inopportune moments. He doesnt seem to get that some pitchers are better than others and just randomly decides to use them in the best manner to lose a game. If JD gives him a pitcher instead of using him optimally he treats them as interchangeable parts. A no confidence vote for banister on pitching.

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              • #22
                The biggest issue I have, and it touches on your point, is that no one in a Banister-managed bullpen (save maybe the closer) ever knows their role. If you look at good bullpens, guys have set jobs and understand where they fit on the staff. Banister might as well be rolling dice and choosing who to throw and when based on the results. That's not at all conducive to success and would seem to explain why talented bullpens have underachieved to the extent they have the past two seasons.

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                • #23
                  They had roles. When Dyson couldn't do the closer role that messed up the roles. One thing no one seems to notice is that the relief pitchers simply aren't getting the job done. It's still very early in the season, but it seems no matter who Banister puts on the mound he finds a way to mess up. He may as well be random at this point, until they start pitching and earning their roles.

                  It's not as bad as it seems, though. Take out Dyson's numbers and the rest of the bullpen has a 3.02 ERA. That would still rank them 5th, ahead of the Astros, in the AL.

                  If Dyson was good in just two of those three blown saves, we'd have a 7-7 record, be in second-place, and no one would be fretting much about things right now. It's those ninth inning contusions that are making things look worse than they really are.

                  When you lose three games you should have won this early, it looks worse than reality. It takes about a dozen or more games to fix the leaks and right the ship after losses like that. It's not like a team is going to lose their closer and find immediate success the very next day. No, it's a process.

                  I'm not worried at all. Come May 1 we get to play the Astros 25% of the next 40 games. When you have all those wins in the bag, you can make up for a lot of damage. We'll go 8-2 in those head-to-head games with the Astros. Just need to even the record here at home before then and we can create a huge lead in the Division going into mid-June. By my math and based on my master plan, the Rangers will be 35-30 and in first place. They are about to unload on the A's right now!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Flounder1 View Post
                    They had roles. When Dyson couldn't do the closer role that messed up the roles. One thing no one seems to notice is that the relief pitchers simply aren't getting the job done. It's still very early in the season, but it seems no matter who Banister puts on the mound he finds a way to mess up. He may as well be random at this point, until they start pitching and earning their roles.

                    It's not as bad as it seems, though. Take out Dyson's numbers and the rest of the bullpen has a 3.02 ERA. That would still rank them 5th, ahead of the Astros, in the AL.

                    If Dyson was good in just two of those three blown saves, we'd have a 7-7 record, be in second-place, and no one would be fretting much about things right now. It's those ninth inning contusions that are making things look worse than they really are.

                    When you lose three games you should have won this early, it looks worse than reality. It takes about a dozen or more games to fix the leaks and right the ship after losses like that. It's not like a team is going to lose their closer and find immediate success the very next day. No, it's a process.

                    I'm not worried at all. Come May 1 we get to play the Astros 25% of the next 40 games. When you have all those wins in the bag, you can make up for a lot of damage. We'll go 8-2 in those head-to-head games with the Astros. Just need to even the record here at home before then and we can create a huge lead in the Division going into mid-June. By my math and based on my master plan, the Rangers will be 35-30 and in first place. They are about to unload on the A's right now!
                    No they didn't.

                    Jeffress, a set-up guy or closer his entire career, doesn't know when he comes to the ballpark whether he's going to be a righty specialist or a multi-inning middle reliever. Same with Barnette. And Claudio comes to the park everyday having no idea whether he's a LOOGY or a long reliever.

                    Dyson -- and maybe Bush before his injury -- was the only one with a role.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by dannyboy8517 View Post

                      No they didn't.

                      Jeffress, a set-up guy or closer his entire career, doesn't know when he comes to the ballpark whether he's going to be a righty specialist or a multi-inning middle reliever. Same with Barnette. And Claudio comes to the park everyday having no idea whether he's a LOOGY or a long reliever.

                      Dyson -- and maybe Bush before his injury -- was the only one with a role.
                      Agree. I'd like to see Barnette set up and Bush close every single game just to see how well they do since they(along with Claudio) seem to be the best guys we got. Jeffress, Kela, Dyson, Leclerc should be the guys fighting for roles outside of that. I don't mind the usage of Claudio since he's valuable in different ways but he does need to be in more closer games in bigger situations sometimes. Finding a lefty reliever is the bigger problem. Not sure I believe in Diekman, Alvarez or Faulkner. And if we had someone to at least be a LOOGY we could use Claudio in a more strategic way

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                      • #26
                        faulkners gone after about 3 big league appearances. Wright at AAA probably deserves a shot. He was good in the spring and so far in season. he is a vet so he might bring something to the table. Bush and Barnette should get late innings along w leclerc. They have earned whatever tolerance there should be.

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                        • #27
                          So, instead of using analytics for pitching matchups you want very strict roles now?

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                          • #28
                            When your analytics conclude that Dario Alvarez should be used in any meaningful situation, particularly at the expense of Jeremy Jeffress or Tony Barnette, or that one pitcher should be allowed to put the team in a hole before the season's even really started, absofreakinglutely I do. Bullpens without strict roles generally suck, and you can use Banny's the last two years as evidence.

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                            • #29
                              Anthony Bass: 8.1 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 16 SO, WHIP 0.617



                              Bass said hes better now because he learned to pitch inside to both left-handed and right-handed hitters while in Japan.

                              I really got a chance to develop my secondary pitches, he said. My sliders always been kind of my out pitch. Still a great pitch for me, but I feel like my split has really developed into a swing-and-miss pitch. Before, I used to get a lot of weak contact on it. I would rely heavily on my slider to get a strikeout. Now I can use both my slider and my split for a strikeout. Its just another pitch the hitter has to think about.

                              I just started throwing my split in 2015 with Texas, but I didnt use it very much. It started coming along toward the end of the 2015 season. It started moving the way I wanted it to. I just really focused on, all of my outings in Japan, to rely on it, to throw it as much as I can. Im glad I did.

                              His move to the Fighters' bullpen led to him playing a pivotal role in the playoffs.

                              I was closing, I was setting up, I was long relief, he said. I was doing everything in the playoffs, which is fine. I loved it because I was such an integral part of the success of the team in the postseason and I havent experienced that yet in my professional career.

                              http://www.freep.com/story/sports/ml...ball/96530568/


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                              • #30
                                I was thinking about my post the other night about Ron Washington and wondering if I was suffering from good ol' day syndrome. After looking at the stats, I was not. With one notable exception (2008) our bullpens were considerably more successful under Wash than they've been under Banister. And I would argue that, from a pure talent standpoint, Banister has had every bit as much to work with, particularly the past two years.

                                Year Bullpen ERA
                                2007 (start of Washington era) 3.71
                                2008 5.15
                                2009 3.95
                                2010 3.38
                                2011 4.11
                                2012 3.42
                                2013 2.91
                                2014 4.02
                                2015 (start of Banister era) 4.12
                                2016 4.40
                                2017 5.89 (small sample size)

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