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    Wow, I haven't posted anything in a long time. I think the cowboys will look to trade down but not far. I think they Target the Bengals #17 or #21. They get a 2nd to move to 21 but I think they would rather take a 3rd to move down three spots.

    My thoughts:


    1 * OLB Whitney Mercilus Illinois OLB Courtney Upshaw OLB Melvin Ingram
    2 DE Jared Crick Nebraska
    3 CB Casey Hayward Vanderbilt
    3a * OC Phillip Blake Baylor
    4 TE Michael Egnew Missouri
    4a WR Ryan Broyles Oklahoma
    5 FS Aaron Henry Wisconsin
    6 MLB / RB / CB
    7 DL / OL


    BREAKDOWN:

    1. MERCILUS: OLB is a need. I don't believe the cowboys have any intention of giving Spencer a long term deal, partially because he isn't expected to get better and they can probably do as well with someone out of the draft. I love Mercilus but he doesn't have a lot of starting experience. I like Upshaw but I think he will be a Spencer clone so I role the dice on Mercilus.

    2. CRICK: I love this guy. He is starting caliber, may make it to them in the 2nd. Before the season he was projected first round. He would immediately step into the rotation and set them up next year with Crick on one side and Lissemore on the other.

    3. HAYWARD: Nice pickup in the third. Solid slot corner, could be more. I like Minnefield too but the Cowboys brought this guy in.

    3 (a). BLAKE: With the pick they receive in trade they pick up there starting Center. Blake starts with Nagy behind him and Costa moves to swing guard. Incidentally I don't see Arkin as a failure and think he will push for a starting spot at Guard this year or next.

    4. EGNEW: They need a TE. There is nothing I like after the first 4 or 5 and this is the last one on the list. May not be here though.

    4. BROYLES: Some say as high as 3rd rounder, some say he is a 5th. I think his surgery and his lack of true speed will hurt his stock but I think he has nice potential in the slot. I could also see the Cowboys using this pick on WR Fuller from A&M.

    5. HENRY: I think Henry falls from what I think is 3rd round talent. I really like this kid and this would be a steal. If no safeties were available and the RB Ganaway from Baylor or LB Carder from TCU were still on the board I would snap them up.



    MARK BARRON: I would be shocked. He is an in the box safety and over the last 4-5 years the Cowboys have repeatedly stated they want safeties that can cover and play both free/strong. I support that idea. They need a ball hawk if they are going to take one this high.

    DONTARIO POE: I would be beyond shocked. He has huge bust written all over him. Great numbers but what little I saw him play, he was a non-issue. His team was horrible against the run in a weak league. No thank you.

    DRE KIRKPATRICK: I was very high on him until they signed Carr. CB is still a need but I don't know if they go first round with it. I would not be upset with this pick though.
    Beau

  • #2
    Great stuff, I agree on a lot of this like CB and Slot WR in the 3rd and 4th but I think the CB will be the 4th Corner rather than the slot guy and in one or both of these picks they will take a guy with return ability. I would take Brandon Boykin in the 3rd because he gives you a similar skill set but some upside and the return ability. I'm cool with Broyles in the 4th but could see them taking a speed WR like Joe Adams or TY Hilton there also to add to the return game.

    Agree on TE in the 4th or 5th but I think if they aren't really sold on the guy they will pass on drafting a TE (sending the message board through the roof) and sign a Veteran like Leonard Pope.

    Totally agree on Poe and Crick. Also on C Blake but I could see them taking Konz in the 2nd if he is available. I think its a lock that the team will pick one of Konz or Blake and may take C Quinten Saulsberry in the 5th or 6th even if they take one of the others earlier.

    For the 1st Rounder, I would take DE Fletcher Lee and then target Konz or an OG in the second, but in general I think DE and C are the targets for the first two rounds. I could see them taking an OLB like Mercilus but Barron wouldn't surprise me. I didn't see a lot of college ball this year but have read Barron was their field general making all the adjustments and a lot of people see him as being worthy of that pick at 14. I think a lot of scouts consider him to be more than an In The Box type.

    My preference for the first round would probably be Lee, then Decastro, then Barron. If they go defense in the 1st I think the 2nd round pick will be a C or OG and vice versa, taking Decastro in the first would mean they target a guy like Crick (who I love also) in the 2nd.

    Then in the 5 round onward take a S, a project RT and a gamble on a ILB with upside. Trading down is always a target of opportunity of course but right now I see the picks like this -

    1st & 2nd - O Lineman and DE
    3rd & 4th - CB, WR and TE
    5th on - S, RT, ILB, CB

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    • #3
      I assume you mean Fletcher Cox not Lee. I like him too, but I feel 1st round should always be spent on a playmaker and DE in a 3-4 is rarely a play maker. I wouldn't be upset with the pick if they traded down to 21 and took him but if they took him as high as 14 I would be.

      I would love a CB with return ability and I do think he would be the 4th CB this year but I am not convinced they will resign Jenkins unless he has a very solid year. So whoever they pick needs to be able to play the slot eventually. For what its worth I actually like Jenkins quite a bit.

      I believe DeCastro will be available at 14 and I think we trade down with Cincy because of it. They want him bad. We send them #14 and we get #17, their third, and one of their two different 5th rounders as well.

      I would love Konz but I think he comes off the board in the early 2nd.

      If could see them trading down to Cincy at 21 and picking up another 2nd and getting this:

      1. Mark Barron SS
      2. Vinny Curry OLB - who ran much faster at his pro day then at the combine
      2. Jared Crick DE
      3. Phillip Blake OC
      4. Jayron Hosley CB
      4. Micheal Egnew TE
      5. Jeff Fuller WR
      Beau

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      • #4
        Originally posted by texdrake View Post
        I assume you mean Fletcher Cox not Lee.
        No, I say that because Fletcher Cox is the Bruce Lee of Defensive Ends. j/k...

        I know your point but I think the idea of 3-4 Ends only absorbing blockers can be a self fulfilling prophecy at times. If you plug in a Calais Campbell on this team you would have a playmaker there and not a guy that just takes on 2 gaps. Not that Cox = Campbell but if he is as good as some project you suddenly have 3 real passrushers on the field where you basically had 1 last year when were mostly playing guys like Coleman and Spears that mostly run blocking guys. Agree that Lissimore will improve and Hatcher has legitimately broken out, but I do think a 3 down superior talent at DE will make a significant impact beyond just a guy playing 5 technique.

        I'm not in love with Cox but I do think it will be Cox, Decastro or Baron - or definitely a trade down. Also glad you are safely back from the Stans.

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        • #5
          By coincidence there is an article on Fletcher Cox on DC.com today, it addresses this point about not spending top picks on a 3-4 DE. They make a good point, one of the players Dallas considered last year with its pick was JJ Watt, who would have made an impact as a 3-4 DE had he been the pick.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kaisersoze View Post
            By coincidence there is an article on Fletcher Cox on DC.com today, it addresses this point about not spending top picks on a 3-4 DE. They make a good point, one of the players Dallas considered last year with its pick was JJ Watt, who would have made an impact as a 3-4 DE had he been the pick.
            I will check that article out. I would love a play maker at end. Cox wouldn't upset me at all. Poe would upset me, as would any offensive lineman would at this point as well (However I think DeCastro is worthy of the pick).

            If Mark Barron could be Polamalu or Reed than I would be very happy. I however feel he is more Laron Landry. Nice but not a game changer. Time will see. My money is on DE or OLB unless they trade down. I don't see anyone taking Barron before Cincy at 21. I think he is a value at 21 plus a 2nd rounder but at 14 by himself I think he is a little bit of a reach.

            Thank you by the way. I have been back for some time now. Actually will be moving back to the states in about 5 months (I live in Germany). Can't wait to see some live Baseball. I haven't been on the site much due to the spending so much time traveling and working. Things are starting slow down now though.
            Beau

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            • #7
              Glad you are safe. This will be a fun draft to watch, I haven't had the time to dig down on players the last couple of years but this one is fascinating.

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              • #8
                With draft getting closer, I'm thinking we have a good handle on the 1st round and the 3rd and 4th, but I have no clue about the second round pick.

                In the first, I really think it will be Cox (if he falls), Baron or DeCastro and that would be my order of preference. Outside chance of a LB like Baron or Mericilus but I really think it will be one of those first three or a trade down.

                In the second, I think it will be partly driven by who they get in the first but it could be one of a dozen guys IMO. It could be a C or G, one of several CBs, one of several DEs or one of several TE's. That is the pick I keep going back to and the more I look at it the further I get from deciding what I think will happen.

                I still think the 3rd and 4th rounds bring a Center, a WR and a TE (if we didn't take one in the 2nd). I think they take Jones or Blake in this area, plus a speed WR (hopefully with return ability) like Broyles, Hilton or Adams and one of the TE's.

                After that I think they take some projects, with one of them being a ROT and maybe an ILB. Really looking forward to this draft but I really have no idea what happens with that second round pick.

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                • #9
                  Only a few days away. I still don't see them drafting Barron. I think he is a great player but not a great fit for the Cowboys. I love Cox but I don't think he is going to be there at 14. I still think they trade down, but maybe with the Chargers rather then the Bengals for an extra 3rd rounder. My guess:

                  1 * DE/DT Michael Brockers (at pick 18)
                  2 OLB Dont'a Hightower (who slides, cowboys play him at OLB instead of MLB)
                  3 CB Casey Hayward Vanderbilt
                  3a * OC Phillip Blake Baylor
                  4 TE Michael Egnew Missouri
                  4a WR Ryan Broyles Oklahoma
                  5 FS Aaron Henry Wisconsin
                  6 MLB / RB / CB
                  7 OL Ronald Leary Memphis

                  For what its worth, I still love Crick, Curry, Mercelius, and Tank Carder but that doesn't mean the cowboys do
                  Beau

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by texdrake View Post
                    Only a few days away. I still don't see them drafting Barron. I think he is a great player but not a great fit for the Cowboys. I love Cox but I don't think he is going to be there at 14. I still think they trade down, but maybe with the Chargers rather then the Bengals for an extra 3rd rounder. My guess:

                    1 * DE/DT Michael Brockers (at pick 18)
                    2 OLB Dont'a Hightower (who slides, cowboys play him at OLB instead of MLB)
                    3 CB Casey Hayward Vanderbilt
                    3a * OC Phillip Blake Baylor
                    4 TE Michael Egnew Missouri
                    4a WR Ryan Broyles Oklahoma
                    5 FS Aaron Henry Wisconsin
                    6 MLB / RB / CB
                    7 OL Ronald Leary Memphis

                    For what its worth, I still love Crick, Curry, Mercelius, and Tank Carder but that doesn't mean the cowboys do

                    I would totally be cool with that draft but I'm still agnostic on Brockers. I would take Jones of Georgia over Blake too but I defer to the scouts obviously. I would still go Cox, then Barron, then Decastro also but if we trade down I'm starting to like the idea of taking Cordy Glenn and playing him at Center.

                    And I still have no clue who I want in the 2nd Round but do agree on C, WR and TE in the middle rounds.

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                    • #11
                      The more I read about this the more I REALLY hope they take DeCastro. I know it isn't the sexy pick, and it isn't at what is considered a "core" positio, but most have said that he is an All-Pro in 2-3 years. How impactful would it be to have Tyron Smith continue to develop, and have DeCastro right next to him. Free should make a very good RT. That is the start of a damn good line - circa 1990's Cowboys.

                      I know they would prefer Defense, but they have some big time skill at the offensive skill positions. If they give Tony a little more time, with the ball catchers and backs they have they could do some serious offensive damage.

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                      • #12
                        The OG value in the 2nd and 3rd round far outweighs the DL depth. You can get a very solid Guard or Interior lineman, by passing on DeCastro and addressing Defense. Defense is 99% likely to be called on Day 1.
                        That said my realistic BPA big board goes something like this

                        targets at #14
                        Cox
                        Barron
                        Ingram
                        Kuechly
                        Brockers

                        potentials, but possible trade down
                        DeCastro
                        Kirkpatrick
                        Poe
                        Upshaw
                        Hightower

                        Cox is the best defensive player in this draft. Better than Claiborne. More of a lock to be a 10 year starter.

                        I love Barron, but I have a very strong gut feeling that the Cowboys FO is talking him up to get another team to move up for him at #14.

                        Ingram isn't getting alot of talk right now, but could anchor a defense in the NFL. If he can be consistent versus the run, he could be a Von Miller type impact.

                        If Kuechly is there at #14 and your top 3 are gone. You HAVE to take him. Pair Lee with Kuechly and you have the best ILB duo in the NFL for the next 8 years.

                        Brockers is going to be an impact player, however, it will take him 2 years to develop the correct leverage and movement to continuously beat quality tackles in the NFL.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Boomstick View Post
                          The OG value in the 2nd and 3rd round far outweighs the DL depth. You can get a very solid Guard or Interior lineman, by passing on DeCastro and addressing Defense. Defense is 99% likely to be called on Day 1.
                          That said my realistic BPA big board goes something like this
                          Great post. I'm reading things now that Cox and Barron may both be gone. If that is the case, I can see them trading down and getting either Decastro late or taking Cordy Glenn to make him a Center. This is going to be fun to watch and I'll just be catching it on Twitter but I love the three day format they have now.

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                          • #14
                            I have been doing a lot of reading the past 24 hours.

                            I still hate Poe as a pick. I still don't love Barron (for the Cowboys). Great player but not great fit. I am staring to like Brockers more.

                            They say Ingram could slide to the middle of the first. I can't see the Cowboys passing on him. At worst he is Spencer II but I think he has a higher ceiling.

                            I would be shocked if they drafted a lineman in round one, even with a trade down. There are quality available middle lineman into the fourth round of this draft. The only line position that should be drafted in the first round ever is blind side tackle if you ask me.

                            My favorites that may be available at 14: Cox, Ingram, Brockers, Upshaw, Decastro, Hightower, Kirkpatrick, Barron...in that order
                            Beau

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Kaisersoze View Post
                              Great post. I'm reading things now that Cox and Barron may both be gone. If that is the case, I can see them trading down and getting either Decastro late or taking Cordy Glenn to make him a Center. This is going to be fun to watch and I'll just be catching it on Twitter but I love the three day format they have now.
                              Cordy, from the tape, would probably be a stretch to play at OC. He was a natural OT in college and obviously project to OG up here. His leverage and hip bend is what scares me on the interior. While I think he is strong enough to play LG, his 6'6 frame will get caught upright versus NT's and DT's if moved to OC... Just my take.

                              I love Phillip Blake and David Molk at OC. Both players have 3rd-4th round grades.

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